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SESNO, Anchor: Given the Arab agreement, Israel today is
expected to announce some conciliatory gestures of its own.
U.S. officials tell CNN they will include an accelerated
schedule to readmit those fundamentalist Palestinians,
members of Hamas, deported in December, a declaration
against using deportation as a standard tactic in the
Occupied Territories in the future.
Well, a short time ago, I discussed the peace process and
its progress with Itamar Rabinovich, Israel's ambassador to
the United States and head of the delegation in the
Israeli-Syrian talks.
Ambassador Rabinovich, thanks very much for joining us.
AMBASSADOR ITAMAR RABINOVICH: My pleasure.
SESNO: Mr. Ambassador, the Palestinians have agreed to
return to the peace talks after a five-month hiatus, the
talks to resume next week. What kinds of gestures or
concessions did Israel have to make to make this possible?
AMB. RABINOVICH: We don't use the term gesture, and it's not
so much a matter of someone grunting or agreeing to come. We
think that the negotiations should be based on a mutual
perception of enlightened self-interest. There was a
problem, the problem of the deportees. The problem was
resolved basically between the United States and Israel,
between our prime minister and your secretary of state, on
February 1. That package stays. It was cosmetically adjusted
in the intervening weeks, but there were no gestures to be
made as such. There was a practical effort to address and
resolve the problem of the deportees.
SESNO: Will the deportees be permitted back on an
accelerated schedule once the talks get underway?
AMB. RABINOVICH: I think it stands to reason that some of
them will. There is a review process. There is an appeals
process. By the way, those who have already been allowed to
come back have chosen not to exercise their right to do so.
So that to a great extent it does seem like a theoretical
exercise. But in any event, there will be some acceleration
for some of them.
SESNO: Is Israel renouncing the deportation policy per say?
AMB. RABINOVICH: Israel is not renouncing deportation, but
on the other hand, it is not a matter of policy for us. That
is to say our policy is not to deport, and the prime
minister in the past has already used terms such as
exceptional and unprecedented to describe the action of
December, so that it is not a policy. At the same time, we
are not renouncing our right to use deportation under
duress, when national security or lives of groups or
individuals are threatened by terrorism.
SESNO: And you believe this satisfies the Palestinians'
concerns about this policy?
AMB. RABINOVICH: I don't know that it satisfies their
concerns, but they will be coming on the basis that I have
described.
SESNO: Mr. Ambassador, Hanan Ashrawi, the Palestinian
spokeswoman, said that much discussion and anxiety went into
the Palestinian decision to return to the talks. And I'm
quoting here. She said, 'What went into it is an assessment
of the American promises in terms of the Israeli practices
in the Occupied Territories. Secretary of State Warren
Christopher spoke of the issue of human rights in the
territories. What will change in the territories now?
AMB. RABINOVICH: I empathize with some of the problems, or
many of the problems and the agony that have gone into the
Palestinian decision. I think there is fear in the simplest,
purest sense of the term in the Palestinian street. There
are radicals who threaten the lives of participants, and I
can sympathize, empathize with those members of the
delegation who took time to make a decision. Now, the issue
of the quality of life in the West Bank and in Gaza has been
discussed by the State Department with us, will be discussed
between us and the Palestinians next week as we resume. We
believe that the solution to the problems is a political one
and that, as the negotiations make progress, conditions of
life in the West Bank and Gaza could improve.
SESNO: Yasir Arafat was instrumental to bringing the
Palestinians back to the table, as we understand it from
their meetings, arguing very forcefully that the peace
process should be resumed. As far as Israel is concerned,
he's a terrorist. What is he? Is he a terrorist or a
peacemaker now?
AMB. RABINOVICH: I think the jury is still out on that
question. There is a peace process going on, and what
happens in the peace process will determine the way in which
individuals, organizations, groups are perceived. It has
been our feeling and evaluation that in the past few months,
Yasir Arafat and his group in Tunis have been more an
obstacle than help to the negotiations. And as we resume
next week, we would very much like to see him play a
constructive role. But as I said, the jury's still out.
SESNO: Do you believe he played a constructive role in the
last several days?
AMB. RABINOVICH: In the- at the 11th hour, yes, in a sense
that he removed his opposition to the delegation coming. But
we have reason to believe, when the delegation as such
wanted to come, was here in Washington, made an agreement
with your government to come and was prohibited from coming,
that individuals in Tunis played a role in their not
providing a positive reply earlier on and in not showing up
on the 20th. But the bottom line is that they are coming on
the 27th, and I think that's very pleasing.
SESNO: What are your expectations for what will happen on
the 27th? Where do you hold out the most hope for progress
in this very complicated process?
AMB. RABINOVICH: We look particularly at two tracks of
negotiations, the Palestinian one and the Syrian one. I
think that our instruction and policy are such that they
should enable us and the interlocutors to make progress on
both tracks, or at least on one of them. But these are our
expectations. We still have the other party to take into
account. We not only hope that we can move ahead, but we
estimate that on the basis of our marching orders, progress
can be made.
SESNO: Is it time to reopen the Occupied Territories, which
have been sealed?
AMB. RABINOVICH: This is not so much a political question,
but a question of practicality. The territories were sealed
when a wave of killings, stabbings, assassinations
threatened to turn the whole Arab-Israeli conflict, and
particularly Palestinian-Israeli relations, into a bloody
and violent affair, and the territories were sealed off in
order to prevent it. The decision to ease the closing off,
or to change it altogether will have to be determined
primarily by security considerations.
SESNO: Mr. Ambassador, a final question, very quick, and a
final response, very quick, if you could - are you
optimistic at this time?
AMB. RABINOVICH: I'm fairly optimistic.
SESNO: A diplomatic response, if ever there was one.
Ambassador Rabinovich, thanks very much, appreciate your
time. And again, those peace talks resume on the 27th, next
week. |