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MR.
LEHRER: Good evening. Leading the news this Tuesday, PLO
Leader Yasser Arafat told the United Nations he was ready to
talk peace with Israel at an international conference,
Israeli Prime Minister Shamir rejected that proposal, and
the State Department said Arafat had not met conditions for
dialogue with the United States. We'll have the details in
our News Summary in a moment. Robin.
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MR. LEHRER: Yasser Arafat addressed the United
Nations in Geneva today. The Palestinian leader laid out a 3
point peace plan to be discussed at an international
conference. He asked the leaders of Israel to "come here
under the sponsorship of the United Nations so that together
we can forge that peace." Arafat's plan called for placing
the occupied territories under UN supervision while a
permanent settlement that includes a State of Palestine and
a State of Israel is negotiated. Israeli Prime Minister
Yitzhak Shamir discounted Arafat's words, saying continued
acts of PLO terrorism were hidden behind them. He called the
speech a monumental act of deception done to give the
international community an illusion of moderation. The
Associated Press said U.S. officials had worked behind the
scenes to see if it would be moderate enough to justify U.S.
talks with the PLO. State Department Spokesman Charles
Redman said afterward it had not happened. He called it
interesting and positive, but said it fell short of what the
U.S. required. We'll have full reaction to the speech right
after this News Summary. Robin.
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MR. MACNEIL: Our first reaction to the speech is from
the Israeli Ambassador to the United States, Moshe Arad. Mr.
Ambassador, welcome.
AMB. ARAD: Good evening.
MR. MACNEIL: The U.S., as we've just heard, sees
positive developments in this speech, but Israel sees none,
is that right?
MOSHE ARAD, Ambassador of Israel to the U.S.: That's
right. We see it as an attempt to create a perception of
progress, of advancement, of change, but basically, we
didn't detect anything new in the speech made by Mr. Arafat
today at the same old position which was expressed both in
Algiers and in other places, and therefore, we do not see
progress.
MR. MACNEIL: You do not see in his repeated
references using the word "Israel", in his statement that
all states in the region within the region should live
within secure and peaceful borders, some movement?
AMB. ARAD: I see this as an acceptance of a certain
reality but not as an acceptance of the right of Israel to
exist as an independent country. And we didn't hear anything
in his speech today or on other occasions which would reject
the concepts and the principles of the charter. And as you
well know, the Palestinian charter calls the establishment
of the State of Israel null and void, calls for the
destruction. We didn't hear any reference to it, and even
when he's talking about the rejection of terrorism, he still
feels that opposing the Israeli presence is legitimate and
should not be regarded as terrorism. And only today we had
another incident in Israel in which an Israeli civilian and
an Israeli soldier were killed in a terrorist incident.
MR. MACNEIL: How did you take his reference when he
said many of those listening to him had been branded as
terrorists when they were seeking their, fighting for their
own independence, and how were regarded as respectable
leaders of their countries? Did you see an ironic reference
to leaders of your own country in that?
AMB. ARAD: I saw in this whole speech a continuous
attempt to parallel and to create the impression that the
Israeli presence in the territories is a result of an
Israeli aggression, that the Palestinians were subject to
Israeli aggression ever since the establishment of the State
of Israeli in 1948, an attempt to distort the whole history
of the last 41 years. And so the suggestion that he made
today that we are dealing with a fascist entity, with an
entity which is aiming at destroying the Palestinians, is
totally incorrect. I think Israel has been the subject of
adversity, of animosity, of attack, of aggression. And so
the whole concept at the base of his speech, the whole
approach, is actually sending, trying to depict Israel as a
fascist entity, as an entity which has no right to exist,
and at the same time eventually calling upon Israel to come
to terms with an organization which is determined still to
destroy the State of Israel.
MR. MACNEIL: Mr. Ambassador, you were informed by
Secretary Shultz, first through an assistant and then
directly by Secretary Shultz, that the U.S. was negotiating
through a third party to influence this speech, is that
correct?
AMB. ARAD: No, that's incorrect. We were informed
through a third party there were indications about the
likelihood that certain conditions, the conditions which
were set forth by the United States, would be met, and as
you all know and as we have all listened, this wasn't to be
so, and I don't think I am at freedom to go into all the
details of my communication with the Secretary of State or
with his assistant.
MR. MACNEIL: Right. But if Arafat had used precisely
the words the U.S. wants or wanted, would Israel feel that
he had felt that he had met the conditions?
AMB. ARAD: No, definitely not. We have our own
approach and our own view about how to advance the peace
process. We do not view the PLO as survival partners for
negotiations. We feel that the future and the key to the
settlement is in direct negotiations between Israel,
Jordanians and Palestinians, and we feel that the PLO is
still determined, as long as it regards a charter as its
basic key document, that there is no chance for the PLO to
become a viable partner for negotiations with Israel.
MR. MACNEIL: So there is no set, no form of words, no
set of words which this man, Arafat can use that would
qualify the PLO in Israel's view as a negotiating partner?
AMB. ARAD: The first test I think should be deeds and
not words.
MR. MACNEIL: What kind of deeds?
AMB. ARAD: And the deeds mean that the continuous
violence -- actually, the same speech this morning, and
somehow this has been forgotten or the selective parts of it
were mentioned, is the fact that he calls for the
continuation of the violence. Indeed, he encouraged the
continuation of the acts of violence in the territories. So,
on the one hand, he rejects terrorism. On the other hand, he
legitimizes what he calls the struggle against Israel, and
by this, he is encouraging the acts of terrorism against
Israeli civilians and against the Israeli presence.
MR. MACNEIL: So does this -- am I right in thinking
that the Israeli Government, at least as constituted at
present, will never deal with Arafat?
AMB. ARAD: The Israeli position on dealing with the
PLO is very clear as long as the organization is determined
to the destruction of the State of Israel and this is what
the Palestinian charter is all about, if it regards the
actual establishment of the State of Israel as an act of
aggression, and as Mr. Arafat, himself, said a few weeks ago
that this is a racist state and, therefore, it has no right
to exist, I don't see what are we going to negotiate about.
MR. MACNEIL: Well, Mr. Ambassador, thank you for
joining us.
AMB. ARAD: Thank you.
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